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 Post subject: Banner Keyring is Live
PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:09 am 
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So, for those of you who don't already know about it, I'm launching Banner Keyring today. It's basically a combination banner rotator and banner co-op service.

The banner rotator is in essence exactly the same as Josh Abbott's IntelliBanners; we've just done things in a way that (I think :mrgreen:) is better and more useful. Our service lets you sign up free and create "keyrings" -- banner rotators -- that you add your banners to, and then you can advertise all of those banners using a single URL. With our service, free members get 100% of the display impressions when they use their own rotators; premium membership includes as many rotators as the user likes, and additional features such as source-by-source tracking and custom display frequency weighting.

The banner co-op works just like a normal traffic co-op, except with banners instead of web pages. You purchase a certain number of co-op spots, each one of which entitles you to at least 10,000 displays per month of your banners on the top traffic exchanges. We purchase these impressions from TE owners and handle distributing the advertising, just as with a normal traffic co-op like DoctorTraffic or TEBlaster.

If you're interested, sign up here (free): http://www.BannerKeyring.com

There are a couple of special offers on the first login, and I made them even better for the first little while since the service just launched. :up: You can also of course promote the service as an affiliate and earn commissions.

If you're in GOB, you should go to that forum and sign up using the link there instead. :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Banner Keyring is Live
PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:35 pm 
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When I created IntelliBanners, I knew others would be launching their own banner rotators. I don't have any problems with this, because that is how good ideas become successful industries. However, I am a little surprised by the lack of creativity that was put into Banner Keyring. Especially since Dan and Kyle are some of the most creative people I know in the TE industry.

The Banner Keyring homepage basically rephrases the IntelliBanners homepage. "Manage your banner ads from one location" has been changed to "Manage all of your banners in one place". Banner Keyring also borrows the general marketing strategy of IntelliBanners.

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However, trying to manage, track, and update your banner campaigns at difference sources can be a difficult task. IntelliBanners introduces a new concept that consolidates all your banner ads into one intelligent banner. You can add, update, and remove banners from your IntelliBanners account instead of individual traffic exchanges and other programs...

You will now be able to manage your banners from your IntelliBanners account. You can quickly change or update your banners without logging into each individual program you are promoting them at. You can also view your stats for each program, and see how each program compares in terms of unique hits and click-thru ratios.


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Because managing them is a pain. You need to purchase clicks or impressions at dozens of websites, and then visit each of them constantly to measure the results and change your URLs each time you start using a new banner...

Banner Keyring lets you manage all of your banners in one place. You just create a "keyring" -- a rotator for your banners -- that lets you use one URL to promote all of your banners. Then, you can manage all of your banners in one place. Want to see what kind of clickthrough rates a new banner's getting? Just log in to Banner Keyring. Want to stop using an old banner and replace it with a new one? Just make the change at Banner Keyring -- and the change will take effect instantly everywhere you use your Banner Keyring URLs!


I'm glad to see that Banner Keyring introduces one unique concept, which is giving free members 100% of their impressions. I didn't setup IntelliBanners this way because a banner rotator is a costly program to run. The bandwidth of all rotating banners must go through the rotator's server, and the database to match the correct banners, campaigns, and IP addresses is surprisingly large and complex. I could not find any way to run a profitable banner rotator where free members get 100% of their impressions. However, it will be interesting to see if Banner Keyring can find a way.

Dan, I think it's great that you are opening a banner rotator and co-op program. I do a lot of banner advertising, so I would be happy to join more banner co-op programs. However, I would like to see Banner Keyring come up with its own marketing strategy and bring some new ideas to the banner rotator industry. MagnifyTraffic and TrueViewTraffic are very creative traffic exchanges, so I'm sure you can come up with something.

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However, I am a little surprised by the lack of creativity that was put into Banner Keyring.


It's an image rotator. There's really not a whole lot of design space there. But quite frankly, it didn't demand a whole lot of creativity. When there are 1000 programs in the same category, unless the new entry has a lot of capital or promo power behind it, it needs something to differentiate itself to attract attention. When there's only one competitor program, it just needs to be better.

But you can bet that once we start needing new attractions, they'll be there. :up:

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I could not find any way to run a profitable banner rotator where free members get 100% of their impressions. However, it will be interesting to see if Banner Keyring can find a way.


All about the right marketing and attachments. :mrgreen: Should be easy.

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 Post subject: Re: Banner Keyring is Live
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:54 am 
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It's an image rotator. There's really not a whole lot of design space there. But quite frankly, it didn't demand a whole lot of creativity.


I still wish the site wasn't so similar to IntelliBanners. Your design looks great, but the slogan and much of the other text seems to be copied from IntelliBanners with only a few words changed. If the site was a little different, I'd add some new features to IntelliBanners and we'd have some healthy competition. However, I feel like I'm competing against my own ideas and marketing strategy.

I guess I'll just have to outsmart myself. :wink:

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When there's only one competitor program, it just needs to be better.


Good luck, and we will see how things turn out. I still feel that IntelliBanners is "better" for the professional marketer. For example, the IntelliBanners co-op is included with an Upgraded Membership and should deliver more monthly impressions. However, it will be interesting to see how you market and build your program.

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 Post subject: Re: Banner Keyring is Live
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:00 am 
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But, Josh... I'm not interested in healthy competition. :twisted:

Here's the thing about the "marketing strategy" here: the marketing was the only innovation in these sites, and should have been the focus point. You executed the technical aspects of your service just fine, but that wasn't the important part. There's nothing new about a server-side image rotator. What you "pioneered" was a service that brought the point-and-click programming-free creation of image rotators to the independent marketers in the TE arena, and you absolutely flubbed the presentation.

First, you launched the service without generating any interest in advance. If your launch promotion comprised anything more than an announcement on NMF, I didn't see it. There were no promotion emails, no promotion partners, and initially no special offers. When you did add a one-time offer later, it was a simple 25% discount on the monthly service without so much as a paragraph of ad copy to excite users about the possibilities. You need to generate attention and excite people when you launch a new service. You should have been attracting promo partners in GOB; the regulars here know that if nothing else you're a smart tech guy, and I have a feeling a simple PM to Jon along the lines of, "Hey, Jon -- can I get access to the GOB forum?" would get you a key.

When you announced the service, you were given piles and piles of tips in that thread. Your response to most pieces of advice given in that thread was along the lines of, "Thanks, but I'm not concerned." The funniest part, to me, was that I essentially told you in that thread that losing 20% of displays would be an absolute breaker to many, to the point of encouraging me to launch a competitor service of my own. Your response? Essentially, "It's a feature." When I saw that, I smiled; I started working on Keyring that afternoon.

Learn from your experiences. Take another look at my site from a presentation viewpoint, Josh, but instead of looking for similarities this time, look for differences. Look at the promotion emails being sent out. Look at the special offers members see when they log in. Look at the text, and how it isn't in Times New Roman. Look at how the site tries to attract users to the services instead of just assuming that their minds will be blown into action by the sheer power of the concept.

Look at how I present the image rotators. My promotional materials call them keyrings, reminding the users of how they keep everything in one place for them. But that's not why I call them that; I do it because it encourages other people to do the same. My members are already sending me emails talking about "the keyrings." If things go my way, soon people will see an image rotator and think "keyring." "Where can I get one of those banner rotators?" "What? Oh, the keyrings! You just go to..." You won't see me claiming I invented this concept, but I'd bet that you'll see people assuming that I did. I didn't pick the name for the service that was my favorite -- I picked the name that I thought would lend itself to the best branding strategy. (If I could rename Magnify, I would do it in a heartbeat.)

You may think your marketing strategy was similar to mine, but I am absolutely positive that if I had marketed my service the way you marketed yours, it wouldn't be selling anywhere near as well as it is. Keyring's first-day sales numbers yesterday were a single-day record for me, and Keyring blew away the first-day numbers of all of my past launches in spite of being the least creative of the three sites I run. Why? Because I've been paying attention to my experiences over the last year or so and taking lessons from the things that have worked and the things that haven't, and I've reached a point where I've learned enough for it to make a serious difference. And I've made mistakes with this one, too -- and you can bet that when you see my next service, I'll have taken advantage of the lessons I learned from those.

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 Post subject: Re: Banner Keyring is Live
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Either way Dan you did a great job, and I backed you also.

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Another way to do it:

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/randomizer/

Sample:

http://joakim-andreassen.com/images/rotator.php

Don't see why I would need to join one of those sites, when I can use this method.

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The only downside is you can't view stats or anything. So I guess I'm going to join one of them anyways... but which one... :?

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joakim.andreassen wrote:
Don't see why I would need to join one of those sites, when I can use this method.


If you can figure out how to do the programming yourself, you wouldn't. Same thing here as discussed with Soren's Floating Action Button back in March. These services are for the people who don't know how to do the programming themselves.

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 Post subject: Re: Banner Keyring is Live
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joakim.andreassen wrote:
Don't see why I would need to join one of those sites, when I can use this method.


If you can figure out how to do the programming yourself, you wouldn't. Same thing here as discussed with Soren's Floating Action Button back in March. These services are for the people who don't know how to do the programming themselves.


Yeah, well I said to hell with it and joined your site anyways. :D

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Yeah, well I said to hell with it and joined your site anyways. :D


Hehe, sometimes there's something to be said for doing things the simplest way even if you can do them yourself.

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 Post subject: Re: Banner Keyring is Live
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Yeah, well I said to hell with it and joined your site anyways. :D


Hehe, sometimes there's something to be said for doing things the simplest way even if you can do them yourself.


I love your site so far, the only thing I don't like is that a keyring can only be set to 1 size. I use banners that are 468x60 (standard), but also some that are 480x60, and I can't put them in the same keyring because of that.

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Dan - That's something that takes ALOT for me to get in my thick head. I don't HAVE to program everything I use. I repeat I don't HAVE to program everything I use. I repeat I don't HAVE to program everything I use. I repeat I don't HAVE to program everything I use.

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 Post subject: Re: Banner Keyring is Live
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joakim.andreassen wrote:
I love your site so far, the only thing I don't like is that a keyring can only be set to 1 size. I use banners that are 468x60 (standard), but also some that are 480x60, and I can't put them in the same keyring because of that.


You wouldn't have that problem at IntelliBanners. :wink:

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These rotators are designed to be used in the TEs. There's a good reason for having to rotate images of the same size in each rotator. :mrgreen:

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