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I'm sick and tired of being told that inappropriate comments are acceptable if there's even the remotest grain of truth to the.

Come on now people, it's ridiculous to say "because I'm right, my comments are approprite", it just isn't true!

Grow up People, if you're going to make offhand comments about another person's site, and then say that's it's justified your absolutely wrong.

Your comment may have a grain of truth, but before you open your mouth to say something, be it positive or negative, about another site, make sure you know what the impact of your statement is going to have.

If your negative statement is going to cause more trouble than it's worth, for crying out loud, don't make it! And if you feel you really need to make a negative statement, at least qualify your comments as your own opinion, and qualify what you're basing your opinion on.

To just come out and make a declaration about another site without giving any reason for the comment is rude, inconsiderate, and should be unacceptable in any public forum, be it online or not!

Ray

Ahhhh, are we referring to Paula's post and the NMF post from a few days back?

Here's how I deal with inappropriate comments about my business....Think of how it could help me and revisit what I'm doing.

But everyone is so sensitive it seems like you have to tip toe around the subject. Tough beans, this is business and it's not warm and fuzzy. If I'm screwing up, tell me. I want to know so I can improve my business for my customers.

Jon, You're screwing up !!!

If someone here says that they are thinking of starting a business using a horrible looking site and a site that also uses a script that is unacceptable by very knowledgeable owners then the question, Why? needs to be asked.
And pointing out that those sites are flawed is the right thing to do.
If the owners of the sites in question get their feelings hurt then thats a good thing.Perhaps hurt feelings will save them a lot of time and money and put them in a position where they can meet with others that can help them do better.
Sugar coating statements and babysitting new people has no place in business.

Ahh, there's the rub...

"Tell me"

And I couldn't agree more, tell you something about you/your site...

Don't tell the whole world that X persons site is crap, tell that person, directly, and truthfully.

And if there are some who still can't see that, then I give up, you're going to do and say exactly what you want.

mrcarter, you seem to be at least somewhat misinformed here.
First of all the script has been accepted by many, and I believe Jon himself has praised what can be done with the script, as he's mentioned good work done at TrafficBunnies, RealHitz4U and SavvyClicks as good examples.

The question is about style, and if a style is poor, you address your comments to the person who's design you are critisizing, not the whole world, as I said above...

I think offhand remarks like these just show a lack of professionalism by some of our "senior" associates.

That being said, I tend to agree, sugar coating statements has no place, but public declarations that demean the work of others has no place either.

Ray

But Ray, that's the point. No one said 'this persons traffic exchange was crap'...It simply did not happen. In fact, it was 'the exchange was piss poor'. There was no personal attack, no comment about the owner. It was about the program.

Was it the right way to do it? I'm not the judge. It was blunt and if you've been in this forum at all, you'll know a lot of the members here are very straight forward and dont pull strings.

Who knows.

All I do know is that there was a hidden message in all of this and I hope she understands it and takes action on it.

P.S. this is sooooo not an issue of what script the exchange was on.

Could everybody here be right?

When I read the different perspectives, I agree with all of them. Business isn't soft and fluffy, but a certain amount of tact and adherence to proper etiquette is still part of the business environment. Honesty is important, but manners count for something too. Is there a middle ground?

Yeah I think there can be. I think you need to be blunt but also tone it down a bit. However, there seems to be two very different school's of thought. I like the middle ground but what could it be?

Sorry Jon, you just don't seem to be getting it. Allow me to quote:



Are you trying to tell me that this doesn't say:


Really now Jon, that's exactly what that statement says!



Actually as moderator on the board, perhaps not this forum, yes, you are the judge. It's up to you (and others) to ensure that proper forum etiquette is used whenever a post is made.

And again, I agree, people here are very straight forward, but this comment shows that some aren't even that, this was a backhanded insult casually tossed in without regards to the impact it would have. And yes, inappropriate behavior. In my humble opinion...

As for hidden message, no, there was no hidden message, there was simply an attack on a persons business, without thought to how that person, or their business, would be impacted. There was no hidden message, this wasn't said in the hopes that changes would be made on these sites. To even suggest that would be to suggest that you are even more naive than I could possibly believe.

And I think what Tina suggests is exactly what many are suggesting, that proper decorum, etiquette and manners be used when discussing business.

And no, I don't think there is a middle ground, either you show respect, or don't. In my opinion, I'm sorry to say, Soren did not show respect with this casual comment.

Ray

No sir, I dont think you get it.

There is no comment of a personal nature. He is talking about the programs. Not the person. In fact he did not even know who owned them.

That is exactly the point and if you read the original post it was
a question and wake up call to the budding TE owner...

Nothing more, nothing less... but people see what they want to
see and some even keep twisting it to fit their agenda.

For the record I don't do warm and fuzzy... I do business and
I do it the blunt way. I know there are a lot of people at this
forum that can and will thank me for help and advice.

But in the future I can't be bothered - If you want to some
of that blunt stuff you know where to find me. If not you can
keep doing what you are doing and I'm sure someone will
pat you on the back.

Jon, Maybe you're right, maybe I don't get it.

But are you saying that
"Anyway those two are Walker sites are in the piss poor category."
AND
"this persons traffic exchange was crap"

Are *not* the same comment?

They are exactly the same! To say otherwise is absolutely ridiculous. You've already insinuated that the second comment would be a "personal attack", now stand up and realize that the two comments are one and the same.

And don't use the excuse "he did not even know who owned them". You don't have to know someone in order to insult them, nor to act irresponsibly.

Flat out the comment was inappropriate, and it's about time you realized that. To refuse to see this is juvenile in the extreme and completely unprofessional.

Soren, you've got a lot of nerve to make such an accusation. To even suggest that anyone is "twisting it to fit their agenda." is extremely bad form, unprofessional, and immature. How can we twist the quoted words? You made an offhand comment about two sites. There was no "wake up" call, there is simply a poor choice of words. Admit it was an offhand comment, with little thought given to it, and you might retain some sort of dignity, but to claim that it was a wake up call is to assume that the people in here are gullible and naive in the extreme.

Warm and fuzzy may not have a place in criticizing anything, but flippant offhand remarks don't belong either. Business can be cut throat and still be civilized and respectful.

After your comments, and accusations, I'll have a hard time to take anything you say seriously.

Ray

LOL I love it. So you are telling me I'm juvenile and unprofessional? Wow, now see that's a personal attack. Not on my business, but on my character. See the difference?

Yup, and possibly inappropriate. I should probably be banned for them...

Ray

This is NMF sir. I don't ban for things like that. You are completely entitled to your opinion. We are business people here, we need to hear the good and the bad.