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Wow!

Regardless of your opinion on downline integrity or not...This site is a bit much?

http://money2go2.com/html/robbingdownlines.html

Owners who send emails with a promotional link in it are being compared to Martha Stewart's inside trading, drunk drivers and robbery criminals.

Hey, I don't care what you think about downline integrity and this is coming from someone who does NOT email to my TE about offers. But just because you don't agree with how people operate, comparing it to being a criminal acts wrong on so many levels.

Well I guess that makes every affiliate program owner that mails a customer list unethical too.

Course I figure that if you sell one of my products I pay you 50% of the price. You know that when you send people. In the mean time I will market to those people on the back end. Guess I and every Clickbank vendor are unethical because that person was referred by someone else.

Lets be real if you refer someone to a program you get whatever the referral fee is whether it is credits, commissions or an override on activity. How does that make anything the owner does on the back side of the process illegal or unethical. You get what was promised for the referral the owner gets the customer. That is the trade off and if you don't care for that then don't refer them.

Now if you had branded yourself properly and built a relationship with the person before you referred them it wouldn't be a problem because they will deal with the person they like. Of course then you would have to work instead of cry that someone was stealing something from you that you never had.

From site:

If an affiliate program were to have a programming glitch which caused all of the sponsors to be passed by and their referrals were instead sent to the Admin all heck would break lose.

The same thing happens when an Admin sends his or her affiliate links to the entire membership. All of the sponsors get completely passed by, the Admin receives all of the sign ups as well as all of the commissions. This is a serious breach of downline integrity. And this is why I formed the Downline Integrity Brigade!
~ Juli Norwood


That's why no one surfs at any of the many traffic exchanges that do this, they receive ALL the sign ups.

So TE owners let's just stop promoting our sites all we need to do is sent one single mail of each TE Jon O if you do mine I do yours then we can add on the site no more referrals to get for Hit2Hit on I love hits and no more referrals to get for I love hits at Hit2Hit.
Now if we do this for each site we have all the members of each others TE.

Some stats:
I Love Hits 58994 210 0.36%
Hit 2 Hit 55078 188 0.34%

10kHits4uNow 100273 295 0.29% <<<<<<
Lemmingrun 5365 2 0.04% <<<<<<

I could show you a nice site that tells exactly how much sign ups you get at about a 100 traffic exchanges calculated to this very day however the man who made this nice site asked me never to show it to someone and since he passed away I can't show you.

But! I can tell you this part of the stats: (this are stats from today)
I Love Hits 58994 210 0.36%
Hit 2 Hit 55078 188 0.34%

10kHits4uNow 100273 295 0.29% <<<<<<
Lemmingrun 5365 2 0.04% <<<<<<

This are stats for sign ups for traffic exchanges like you see on my frontpage Hit Gusher.

I rest my case.

I didn't approve that site at TheHitDevil. I thought about it a long time and talked with the person and I think there is no war going on between us

I will continue to throw my ref links around in my business.

Rob and Juli are the real crooks here, see image link below
http://www.advertisingknowhow.com/int.htm

Downline integrity is designed specifically and intentionally to keep the masses in their place, below the real money makers and making them money. While effectivly and intentionally stopping you from becoming the top of the downline.

Its a simple case of sour grapes, and cry baby marketing.

BOO HOO MUMMY THEY STOLE MY DOWNLINE BOO HOO

In other words, don't break the chain because you'll be taking commissions away from those of us above you (read: downline integrity brigade) I have a new acronym DUD (Don't Upset the Downline) as that's where you will be if you follow this model.

Look at it this way, if you want FACTS, who is doing better and making more money.

Those of us that don't think about downline integrity? or those that keep it in tact?

I think you all know the answer to that.

Pat

Fascinating topic and a controversial one.

Isn't that the whole idea of creating and running a traffic exchange program in the first place, to build a list to send your offers to? so many TE do this and as a surfer you kinda have to live with that, plus you a choice to either stick around or leave.

As soon as someone hears that another TE owner/admin made a ton of money from one email or two to his/her entire downline, people want that and try to duplicate that. That's why there are sooooo many new traffic exchange programs popping up everyday.

My only concern about that DIB group is that they can influence others to stop surfing at any TE because it doesn't fit their ideals or they start pin pointing the worst offenders which could affect the TE that I promote and surf in the long run but time will tell I guess.

Take care guys/gals.

Well Paul that's why I added those stats, seems the one that does at times (not every week) but even has it on her frontpage (me ) has better results for others to get referrals for traffic exchanges (which I basicly solely promote IF I promote something in a newsletter) than those who don't.

Recap: More referrals because a TE owner doesn't sent out a mail to their members is just not true, the stats are the proof.

If necessary I'll throw around those stats here and there Paul ... .

That really is the point, the person on the top, always stays on the top if you follow downline integrity. And the 'little guy' never gets ahead. Hmmmm, interesting way of thinking about it.

So the argument of 'let's look out for the little guy' would actually be in favor of NOT keeping downline integrity?

My thoughts on this.

1) "My only concern about that DIB group is that they can influence others to stop surfing at any TE". Yes. While there is a disclaimer hiding at the bottom, I do wonder if people will not join my exchange because they've been taught to look for this icon. Without a list of the "non integrity", it's safe people following this will assume if they aren't listed they are a "non integrity" exchange.

2) The whole phrase "ADMIN'S STEALING YOUR DOWNLINES!" tells me that there is foul play going on at these "non integrity" exchanges. However if you sign up to an exchange, and there is no mention that the owner will send out ads but promises to keep the downline in tact, then they aren't stealing if they don't. It's only stealing if they say they are going to, but actually don't.

3) "traffic exchange program in the first place, to build a list to send your offers to". No, they were first created to allow people to advertise their websites. I don't use mine as a list. You don't have to live with it. If you choose to use an exchange that sends out offers, you are choosing to get the emails. If you choose to not use exchanges that do it, it's your choice.

It's like exchanges that give out commissions saying exchanges that don't are stealing commissions. No, I just chose not to give commissions.

Hmm Tim now you got me thinking I signed up for one of your mails that I receive weekly I think I signed up through StartXchange, (I might be wrong please correct me if I am) this weekly mail gives me the possibility to sign up for a TE with your ref link =P ( http://www.trafficexchangelist.com/list ... -rank.html)

To say it à la Seinfeld "Not that there is anything wrong with it!"

Traffic Exchange List has a full downline builder and is listed in StartXchange's Downline Builder Downline Builder =P

Holy one sided conversations. It is true what they tell me, people are scared of you guys. Not me, bring it, any place any time.

(more on that later)

As for Bob and the others that say they are labeled as criminals, hmmmmm, no where do I see exchanges named on a site. But yet you jump up and say you have been wronged. hmmmmm. That's interesting, a guilty conscience sometimes does things like this. Bob, on the other hand, directly slanders myself and Ms. Norwood but that's ok. Yeah, whatever. The members will decide this inevitably, and you have and never will accurately gauge their true feelings. I, on the other hand, after having more personal interaction with members than any TE owner out there will tell you, confidently, that the majority of your members are pissed (if you are a non DLI'er) and the fact that you're behind the curve on this one is astonishing. You're outed, face it. Now begin to make amends before it's too late. I will be in the SeoSquid room Thursday at 10pm est, you know where it is. This is not going to be a warm and fuzzy, I can assure you. Bring your best, I been waiting for this for some time now.

Rob

One sided conversation = majority

Sorry but will have to say you are holding the little guy down Rob, I didn't mention you before but since you are here now. How does the little guy every break out of the piddly little commissions if he is always at the bottom of the group?

Think outside the box.. or in this case pyramid.. some of us have done quite well by doing our thing our way.

Can't make your room on Thursday as we have a webinar with Dr. Mike and Howie Schwartz on the same night.

Pat

I guess those of us with sizable downlines in list builders maybe accused of raiding downlines too.

I guess those of us advertising opportunities in Traffic Exchanges and Safelists are raiding downlines too when we advertise a program included in the downline builder.

Here is what happened last weekend. I had 15 referrals to Affiliate Funnel because I had a splash page promoting the free upgrade out before the the program owner did. I emailed my own lists and hit every safelist I was a member of before I went to work on Friday morning.

You have to act quickly to seize whatever windows of opportunities come your way. All my referrals came within 48 hours of first promotional efforts. You might say every credit I used after that was waste of time and money.

Furthermore, anybody who knows how to sell makes their product easy to buy. This includes cutting out all unnecessary steps like logging into a downline builder just to visit some other website.

Nearly every downline builder I have seen keeps uplines happy by making people do what has been shown not to work. Brian Garvin let the cat out of bag when he said the real secret to his MLM success was emailing his list of 70,000 Optin Lightning Customers. WOW! 70,000 customers with their own lists. Now, that is real viral marketing.

How many people use downline builders anyway? My results from the various downline builders pale by comparison to my own efforts. Every referral is a greatly appreciated bonus just like the random referrals I get for being an upgraded member.