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I like his post asking for a JV partner for herohits even better, that is one business relationship I will stay far away from

as my dear old dad would say "You can't educate pork"

Seems they have now locked the thread, i was going to reply tothis bit



The script writer has been rewarded, and very well rewarded indeed. How do i know, because its ME.

We have never claimed to have invented the idea of floating Div boxes. I wrote the script, i used the cross-browser library to deal with browser compatibility and selected this script because it licence allowed me to and saved me time writing my own. Suffice to say i will never use it again, there are far better libraries out there. The rest of the code, the members area to build the button and yes including the bit that floats the code is mine, i did not take/use his scritpt, I didn't need to
in fact because i was floating boxes a few years back when i created the floating surfbar for AKH and ClickCrazey.

Right that it. I kept quiet throughout on this matter but i just had to get something down otherwise i would have exploded

John

I'd like to add to this.. I know John Merrick both personally and professionally and I find this talk of him 'stealing code' to be utterly ridiculous. John is one of the most brilliant programmers I know and has no reason to 'steal' any code, he simply used a library and used it properly, to make this floating button compatible with all browsers.

What most don't understand is the bit of code he used is not what makes FAB do what it does, it's a simple piece of code that makes it compatible with all browsers and was created to be freely distributed, it aids in what it does, it's not the 'engine'....

I could not download the cross browser code and use it to do what FAB does.. it's not possible without John's code.

John, next time I'm in Bristol, we'll have a Pint or three and a good laugh about this. Those of us that know you, know this is crap.

Cheers,

Pat

To expand a bit on Pat's post, I DON'T know John personally or professionally, but I certainly know who he is.

Being the nosy sort of person I am, I took a look at the javascript when it came out. Normally if you are using any code released under the gnu, bsd, etc licenses, you give credit at the top of the file.

John, on the other hand, went further and gave credit just before each routine that he used, so you specifically knew that the routine wasn't written by him. If he would have simply left out the credit and changed the code a bit so as not to be immediately recognizable by the common person, none of this would have happened in the first place.

All this crap surfaced because of his honesty and integrity, not because a lack of it.

Some of the remarks I've been reading are rather ridiculous. People insisting that the author of the freely available code be noted on the sales page, is the main one. I've seen some to give the author credit and some want it there so people can be advised that the code is available for anyone to use instead of having to buy it.

Not only are those remarks stupid on a business side of things, but, it's not uncommon to use freely available code in any programming project. Why reinvent the wheel? Makes it cheaper to produce, gets a project out quicker, and is perfectly legal and acceptable by the people that wrote the code. Let me say that again, it's perfectly acceptable by the people that wrote the code. When the authors release something under the various licenses as 'free software', they are doing it in the hopes that it will be useful, people will build on it, they will get name recognition, etc. They don't expect their name to be on any sales page or splash page, just the recognition in the code.

There are many many freely available libraries, snippets, classes, frameworks available that are free to use personally and commercially. It's not uncommon for a single program to use multiple sources and tie everything together to meet a specific need. It's probably safe to say most programs will have a good chance of using some sort of routine released this way, whether a script or a program you run on your computer. All perfectly acceptable and legal.

Soren may not have known all this when this project was visualized, but, I'd have to say that's where either luck or experience kicked in when he found and used someone not only a talented programmer, but, one that to me has demonstrated honesty and integrity in his work.

Cheers, John.

Yeah it all seams a bit crazy to me, its like saying an author didn't actually write a book becuase the words already existed.

LOLOLOL Too funny. That's the expert for you, what a great job he has done with his exchanges.

I don't think this post is really from him. Doesn't match his typical emails.

The sentences are way too long and it doesn't have nearly enough exclamation points.

And most important - its not quadruple spaced...

To quote ...

When the site came out, I joined FAB, later I posted my thoughts on Jon's blog, about it being a free script if people didn't want to pay.Later still I found the thread about it on TMF and visited the forums there.

About the site, I thought it was a great job and enjoyed the ease of use and the hard work put into it.

Megaman DOES have a point, which has not been answered!

The member does not deserve to be slammed and I for one will not let this type of bullying tactic go unanswered on TMF.

Freedom of speech is meant to protect the innocent and reveal the truth, not hide it or put it down !

ie this is THE MEMBERS FORUM !

The script had rights - sure it was free - but the rights of the script writer were a) ignored and b) requests for info were observed by the script writer and c) a forum post was totally changed when the script writer asked about this request.

This is unacceptable and if anyone decides to argue with me then you are only revealing your own character to us all !

If you ask me there is an entirely easier and more convivial solution to be had, one that observes all the niceties and preserves Soren's dignity intact, without the need for character assessments or defending of his site.

A link could be added to the FAB site clearly asking members to click to get the script if they would like to do it themselves.

I for one would not as the site is what is worth the money !

The site was great and I would recommend it to anyone, it automates the process and is well built and thought out, the script it only a part of it really.

But I was annoyed that later posts on the original thread all seemed to say LETS RALLY TOGETHER AND SHOUT THE LITTLE GUY DOWN !!

Who knows ... if the script writer is finally rewarded, instead of this minor but clear unremarked, not to mention, unrewarded use of his skills and talents, the next time around he may actually write a script exclusively for Soren to build a site around !

No ,you think -well I would for 50,000 visitors a week when things get exciting - a link to my site - maybe give a license fee - as a reward of my work -rather than just the kudos for having simply designed it.

Nobody can live on kudos can they?

Williams comments have absolutely nothing to do with the original post and are rude and insulting.

Grow up !

Hello... pot... this is the kettle....

Steve, you make absolutely no sense when you post in this forum, maybe it's a language barrier, maybe it's an IQ barrier, who knows.. all I know is you make no sense. Do you even understand what code John used in FAB and what he programmed on his own? I doubt it...

Pat

I said I loved the site, the bit of script didn't matter and I for one would use the site rather than fiddle with the script as it was the actual site that was important.

I was addressing the concerns of the origiinal script writer on his blog about a forum post being totally changed !

I was also standing up for a surfer who was shouted down.

I think you should at least read the posts about this before thinking its time to gang up on me for voicing my opinion !

Megaman has no point at all. It's a useless attempt to slander Soren and John, that's it. There is nothing wrong with what they did. It was a huge success and a great little tool.

Experienced forum users such as yourself have seen it all, all the tactics, ploys, advertising tricks on posts, etc, well you read it as an attack on the site, pure and simple.

I wasn't on the original thread and think it should not have been on an open forum for even a day with a product and a business website out there that were in effect being slandered.

William has no point at all. It's a useless attempt to slander Herohits and myself, that's it. There is nothing wrong with that site. It will be a huge success and a great little tool.



Pat ...
As you say I am no good at putting sentences together I have borrowed some of Jon's from earlier!It is very clear enough to me the double standards you are trying to apply here.

If not, why are you not defending me and making jokes about the person who just insulted both Herohits and myself ?



William ...
I am a hard working TE Webmaster who cares about nothing more than his members and his websites.

Do you think you have the right to judge me?

You should be ashamed !